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Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 3	Posted - 2017.02.22 11:15:10 - [1] - Quote This thread is too long to even start to read so my 2 cents: AFK Cloakers are problem - But im against a timed cloak modules as it will help gangers or would help to hunt ppl stuck in pipe systems; Mechanic is fine as it is - If u want to do something about cloaker, prepare a bait for it - and kill it; Maybe there is a little idea what to do...if u live in a sov null sec, own the system - probably a nice would be to have a anchore module which would "ping" every non blue cloakers each 10-20 minutes so u can scan down the "ping" and find the cloacker;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 4	Posted - 2017.02.23 07:35:33 - [2] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: [quote=Ji7 Aldard][quote=Teckos Pech] Now CCP is most likely, based on hints they've dropped, going to do the following: 1. Remove local. Great Idea :) Let's help gankers in high sec to gank even more if u don't know that they are in system :) That would make this game even more paranoic :) Not the mention it'll slow down ALL the actions what's are now :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 4	Posted - 2017.02.23 09:50:58 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: [quote=Ji7 Aldard][quote=Teckos Pech] Now CCP is most likely, based on hints they've dropped, going to do the following: 1. Remove local. Great Idea :) Let's help gankers in high sec to gank even more if u don't know that they are in system :) That would make this game even more paranoic :) Not the mention it'll slow down ALL the actions what's are now :) So long as local exists in the way it currently does we will need AFK cloaking to counter it. There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers; My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down; Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible);
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 5	Posted - 2017.02.23 10:37:41 - [4] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers; My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down; Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible); And what are you going to do to local to balance the removal of the only counter to it? And what is the reason to do something to local? If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters; Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it; If u don't like local - go to wormhole =)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 10	Posted - 2017.02.23 13:06:36 - [5] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: [quote=baltec1][quote=Naye And what is the reason to do something to local? If u get rid of local u help gankers in high sec which would have easy life killing more freighters; Same stuff in low sec, which u would never fly again to a gate in case someone would blob it; If u don't like local - go to wormhole =) Local is a very powerful intel tool in null. The drone lands for example can see you coming from upwards of 40 systems away and track your progress in real time. If you remove AFK cloaking then you remove the ability to catch the vast bulk of people in null simply because there would be nothing to counter this intel system. I don't get it - please explain me; What you want to counter? Let's say - there is a thing which dont alow afk cloaking camp in system; What is it have with local? U just countered the uncounterable part of eve; As CCP did with unscannable T3 ships (gg CCP....)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 12	Posted - 2017.02.23 20:47:37 - [6] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: baltec1 wrote: So long as local exists in the way it currently does we will need AFK cloaking to counter it. There is no doubt - there should be something done wih AFK cloakers; My idea is a anchorable in SOV module which ping cloacky ships every 20 minutes, if its afk itll ping his position and ull have like 2 minutes to scan him down; Or i have other idea - if you are away of keyboard, u should be logged out if u are in space - the only thing when u wont be logged out would be if you are behind a pos forcefield are have modules activated other than cloak OR you have an activate target on (so afk mining would be still possible); Nope. You should not get intel like this, IMO. You should have to do something other than a one and done thing like anchoring a module. And no fuel doesn't count. And local needs to go if you are going to be able to find cloakers. Right now people are not complaining about cloaked ships simply because they can't find them, but that they feel there is nothing they can do in response (which, IMO, is not true, but that has been discussed already, swim back upstream and read about it). No, you should not get increased safety in NS while ratting. It is already safe enough....in fact some could argue it is too safe. It's really funny like ppl scream around: GANG MINERS! THEY SHOULD BE AT KEYBOARD WHEN MINING! BLOP THEM! but then if i say: If the cloaky ship is AFK, there should be a way to find him in example by anchored module (but ONLY THE AFK ONE) now u said "Nope. You should not get intel like this!" Funny is how ppl are :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 13	Posted - 2017.02.24 10:54:28 - [7] - Quote Merin Ryskin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid. This is 0.0 you're talking about. AKA player-controlled space. If your alliance does not have the ability to counter a hot dropper with its own combat fleet and destroy the threat to your carebears then congratulations, your alliance has just been evicted from your system. Go back to highsec where the NPCs will protect you. Oh so there is only a "AKA player-controlled space" (sov); Good to know;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 13	Posted - 2017.02.24 11:03:25 - [8] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away. AFK cloaky camping is a problem, it is not a symptom. The problem lies in people not playing the game when affecting others. Unlike afk miners, afk cloakers do not affect the game in any way. They do not interact with the game at all. The only "problem" is in your head, being a risk-averse coward. Without local, you wouldn't even know he was there and all the automated intel tools that rely on local wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to counter local and automated tools. AFK cloaking is a symptom of instant local chat and automated tools. It is not the problem. No system, however deep in blue space, should ever be 100% safe, but that is exactly what the great majority of nullsec is. You are wrong; They affect YOUR Gameplay (the afk cloakers); Same as your idea to deleting local - would that solve a problem with "cloakers"? you said "yeah it does!" i said (in your language) - u are total dumb if you really think that way - Examples for brainless: 1. 12 on local All blue Miners, Ratters, anomalers (doing anomalies) There is nothing which affect "their" game; 2. - Camper in system - 13 on local 12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange Miners - get docked Ratters - get docked Anomalers - get docked Still u think it doesn't affect their gameplay? or only it does not affect yours? And it doesnt matter if its AFK or NOT it's still CLOAKED netural - which force OTHERS to change their behaviors; 3. - No local Miners - mining... Ratters - ratting... Anomalers - killing... but all of them plays in in a stress - they need to have covered all gates, means there have to be at last 2 - 3 guys which sacrifice their TIME to ALL THE TIME watch the gates to systems; Not to mention there should be someone who check anomalies EACH HALF HOUR if there is no Wormhole appear; Thats DEFFO a great solution which wouldn't affect any of their gameplay... (ironic)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 13	Posted - 2017.02.24 11:10:06 - [9] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: 2. - Camper in system - 13 on local 12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange Miners - get docked Ratters - get docked Anomalers - get docked this is pathetic, grow some dude. fancy to share "why?" than just throwing insults? which is pretty common in this community.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 15	Posted - 2017.02.24 11:48:45 - [10] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :) 1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec; Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you! 2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are: a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!) b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT) c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it... which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 15	Posted - 2017.02.24 11:52:37 - [11] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :) 1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec; Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you! 2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are: a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!) b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT) c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it... Here's the thing. The only people who complain about cloaky campers are people living in sov-null, as that is the only place where you have local-based intel-networks. These things go hand in hand. AFK-cloaking is the counterpoint to local-based intel-networks. So your idea is to cut them off from local as "im being afk camper shouldnt be a problem for them or any player at all! cause when im AFK i do not change ppl gameplay style or a way of thininking!" Someones hits the absurdality roof :) - Another person who speaks for "every of 40k players";
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 15	Posted - 2017.02.24 12:05:48 - [12] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :) 1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec; Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you! 2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are: a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!) b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT) c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it... which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not; i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. As it does not a problem for you, that does not mean it's not a problem for others. You are not the only one playing this game dude;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 16	Posted - 2017.02.24 12:12:03 - [13] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :) 1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec; Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you! 2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are: a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!) b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT) c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it... which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not; i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. As it does not a problem for you, that does not mean it's not a problem for others. You are not the only one playing this game dude; that's the whole point, you are not the only one playing the game as well, works both ways. :) btw, just in case you don't know, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care about cloaky campers, and WH already doesn't have local. so yeah, the only people crying here against cloaky campers are nullbears like you. :) I'm to lazy to tell you why : Nat Silverguard :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 20	Posted - 2017.02.24 12:37:25 - [14] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant. point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers. they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle. hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you. but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. He starts again... You are so short brained... probably u aren't even moved out from filet since CENTURIES - hope so you got a window out there or a sun so u can get some light... Hey Mate - Filet is not the only place where the game happens, really
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 20	Posted - 2017.02.24 12:47:16 - [15] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad. They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant. point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers. they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle. hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you. but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. He starts again... You are so short brained... probably u aren't even moved out from filet since CENTURIES - hope so you got a window out there or a sun so u can get some light... Hey Mate - Filet is not the only place where the game happens, really funny thing is, that's a nullsec scenario.... again, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care, WH has no local. Think out of the box;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 20	Posted - 2017.02.24 14:41:35 - [16] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Think out of the box; says the guy who docks up when there's a boogeyman. You have a thing about boogeymen, I would suggest that his concern is about either a load of BLOP's or worse dropped on him via a cyno. People like yourself who have not even attempted to live in sov 0.0 as a smaller group surrounded by larger entities have no idea just how boring it gets, so every time you post on this subject I just taste the ignorance. not to mention there are also a npc pockets ;) not only sov ones ; )
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 22	Posted - 2017.02.24 17:32:01 - [17] - Quote Zockhandra wrote: Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again? Such a great idea mate! Let's change a game cause of annoying idiot who went to work and been sitting whole day cloaked in system decide to weary you or he is doing what he want on his 4th account - denying u taking a pleasure of game; Get a fart cause your brain gives a **** ideas...rly..
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 22	Posted - 2017.02.24 17:50:50 - [18] - Quote Zockhandra wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Zockhandra wrote: Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again? Such a great idea mate! Let's change a game cause of annoying idiot who went to work and been sitting whole day cloaked in system decide to weary you or he is doing what he want on his 4th account - denying u taking a pleasure of game; Get a fart cause your brain gives a **** ideas...rly.. They are not denying you anything though, you are simply refusing to play because of the 'possibility' that he might be active. If you truly believe he is at work, why are you here and not out ratting? A train do not deny you stay at rails - u are just afraid to be killed by it; - thats your logic
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 22	Posted - 2017.02.24 18:37:27 - [19] - Quote Zockhandra wrote: baltec1 wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: A train do not deny you stay at rails - u are just afraid to be killed by it; - thats your logic What exactly is stopping you from having a defense fleet like everyone else out there? We are finally approaching a point where this conversation need not continue. Preparation and initiative resolve the issues of cloaky campers, if you are struggling to find a soloution to campers 'Naye' i strongly suggest that you consult player help channels for experience from older or more experienced players. No need bcz of what? U got your point of view, which is stupid :) and i've got mine; U wont pull me on your side as u barelly know nothing about it or u are the one involved in the afk cloaking mechanic;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 29	Posted - 2017.02.25 10:41:05 - [20] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: You are wrong; They affect YOUR Gameplay (the afk cloakers); Same as your idea to deleting local - would that solve a problem with "cloakers"? you said "yeah it does!" i said (in your language) - u are total dumb if you really think that way - Examples for brainless: 1. 12 on local All blue Miners, Ratters, anomalers (doing anomalies) There is nothing which affect "their" game; 2. - Camper in system - 13 on local 12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange Miners - get docked Ratters - get docked Anomalers - get docked Still u think it doesn't affect their gameplay? or only it does not affect yours? And it doesnt matter if its AFK or NOT it's still CLOAKED netural - which force OTHERS to change their behaviors; 3. - No local Miners - mining... Ratters - ratting... Anomalers - killing... but all of them plays in in a stress - they need to have covered all gates, means there have to be at last 2 - 3 guys which sacrifice their TIME to ALL THE TIME watch the gates to systems; Not to mention there should be someone who check anomalies EACH HALF HOUR if there is no Wormhole appear; No, they don't. They don't have any effect on my gameplay beyond being there. When I then chose to dock up, that is nothing said afk cloaker forced me to do just by being there. That is risk-averse nature. Fear that something might happen that I do not want to deal with. The afk cloaker is playing mind tricks with you and all that happens beyond that point is entirely on you and not on him. I see dumb ppl...all over the place... damn..
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 30	Posted - 2017.02.25 11:50:23 - [21] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Beeflee Filee wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Beeflee Filee wrote: NULL is more dangerous than WH. Nullsec is the safest space in this game, but apparently it's not safe enough for you? if highsec is so profitable, why don't you go there for your isk? Afraid of neutrals that might touch you there too? Please do not write anything only taken out of context cause that is only done to fit your agenda and not getting to the truth. And I could have left that part out I just liked giving my take on the NULL and WH. I would rather discuss my attempt for a solution to what we should be discussing in the thread rather than every thing els. And I do believe that Making intell something you have to work for a good option but in return one of the options about cloaks should be in there as well. We only have cloaky camping to deal with the local problem. Without instant free intel in the form of local, cloaky camping would not be required. Tell my why I don't trust you with the last part? I Bet all my ISK that without local ull keep camping the system even more cause u know NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOWN u are in system; EZ Killz =] And btw as u always mention "AFK MEANS HE IS AFK" - as someone said before; Yeah and EVERY AFK cloaker always says "IM GOING TO WORK, IM CLOAKED - AFK!" - Piece of wood...
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 32	Posted - 2017.02.26 10:04:46 - [22] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: I'm not living in nullsec and if I were, I wouldn't give a ** about cloaky campers. I know how to deal with them. "I never programmed a single **! But I know how to deal with that!" U just show us that your posts are just pure trolling, and all that around "dumbass" stuff; Pathethic prick!
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 36	Posted - 2017.02.27 06:53:31 - [23] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: mkint wrote: Being logged in and showing up on local means you are having an effect even if you are AFK. PI is an AFK game. Most of the market is an AFK game. Moon goo is an AFK game. There are lots of the ways the game rewards you for NOT playing that have nothing to do with botting. The question about any of them is balancing the pros and cons for the game as a whole. Being AFK in local doesn't affect the game, outside of ratters and miners in sov null who want to PvE with no risk. Moon goo, PI, the market can earn you ISK when AFK. AFK cloaked you can't earn ISK or kill anyone, so there's no effect on the game. It's balanced as it is. If there's a way to detect cloaked ships, then balance that decision, let people lock targets and activate non-offensive modules when cloaked. If you nerf one side of it, buff another. That's the definition of balance. And drac, since you don't actually have me blocked, your PI stops earning ISK when you log off at night? Interesting. Also interesting that you want to "hunt AFK players" when you aren't a PvP player. One fight since november....stop trolling And it starts again...from a same point... "Afk cloaker does not affect the game because he is afk" - have ever tried to thing something more far than point of your lazy ass? Try to guess what is the difference between AFK cloaker and cloaker that he is not AFK; Im really curious about your answer at that simple question.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 38	Posted - 2017.02.27 14:34:29 - [24] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: have ever tried to thing something more far than point of your lazy ass? Coming from the person that can't count 1 and 1 together. Your question has been answered at least a dozen times over the last few pages. Instead of continuing to cry about a non-issue, why don't you invest that time into learning half-decent English so that you don't have to **** the English language every time you post something? "Not my native language" isn't an excuse. It isn't mine either and I'm doing perfectly fine. You want people to take you even remotely serious? Stop writing like illiterate trash, think for a moment about the junk you give from you and then maybe make an actual point. But beware. It involves thinking and so far you have proven yourself incapable of that. Is that your answer for everything? Insulting others? :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 38	Posted - 2017.02.27 15:12:55 - [25] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Is that your answer for everything? Insulting others? :) May I remind you that it was you that started it by insulting me? I'm just repaying the favor. Yawn....borrrrriiinnnggg
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 40	Posted - 2017.02.28 10:33:27 - [26] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: And it starts again...from a same point... "Afk cloaker does not affect the game because he is afk" - have ever tried to think something further than a point of your lazy ass? Try to guess what is the difference between AFK cloaker and cloaker that he is not AFK; Im really curious about your answer at that simple question. No difference to me. If I'm in a system and don't recognize every name in local, I fly assuming they could show up on grid and attack me, no matter what. I rarely fly with massive nullsec alliances though, so I'm used to the risk that comes with EVE, unlike sov null (who are the only ones who complain about this). d-scan every 5 seconds, stay aligned, be in a standing defense fleet 24/7 while on comms. If you do get tackled, great! You're in a fleet already, you call for help and have a fight on your hands in the 30 seconds it takes for your fleet to reship to PvP and respond. What you are talking about; Really wish to see the "AFK" cloakers which are camping the null sec alliance space; Even if they are - they are ready to hotdrop supers/ caps etc; (1st) Still that "cloaker" if he is AFK he did affect your gameplay - if someones deny it - then sorry it is too late for any treatment; For many - that afk cloakers are a real problem; (2nd) And you are right! In normal gameplay mechanic THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE if he is AFK or NOT; But if he shows up u suddenly change your behavior as any neutral would show in system but... with a one little difference; You can't counter the AFK cloaker because as long as he stays in local you are forced to change your ships/ fits/ etc and you have to stay in that state not rarely for MANY hours as you don't know if he is a real threat or just afk; And that is wrong (in my opinion and opinion of many);
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 47	Posted - 2017.03.01 09:41:37 - [27] - Quote Maria Dragoon wrote: To first answer your question I will not argue that cloaking is nearly ot identical to pi because it's not. You have to get in system and cloak (initial fear) go to school/work/shopping([AFK] complacency) an then a cashout (hot drop. because you just came back from school/work/shipping and the guys take the risk). AFK cloaking is simple WIN situation! I have fixed your post for you;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 48	Posted - 2017.03.01 13:44:01 - [28] - Quote I won't take your game as removing local is not a counter for dealing with AFK Cloakers; To be honest it's even better for afk cloakers as they won't be seen comming; So i'm taking this idea as even more stupid;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 48	Posted - 2017.03.01 14:30:50 - [29] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: As has been pointed out already with perfectly sane and logical proof: No local, no afk cloaker problem. Aha :) If you see a threat I have a great solution! Gonna rip your eyes off;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 48	Posted - 2017.03.01 14:32:36 - [30] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Removing local removes AFK cloaking simply because they have no idea you are there so there is no point AFK camping a system for a week Never heard that stupid argument before as deleting local means deleting all PVE content in any system except High Sec; But I doubt you know why;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 51	Posted - 2017.03.01 14:56:25 - [31] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: baltec1 wrote: Removing local removes AFK cloaking simply because they have no idea you are there so there is no point AFK camping a system for a week Never heard that stupid argument before as deleting local means deleting all PVE content in any system except High Sec; But I doubt you know why; So you're telling us there is zero pve in wormholes? Has never been? Zero pve in lowsec with neutrals in system? Zero pve in npc nullsec with neutrals? Zero pve in sov nullsec by people that can actually use their brains and know how to deal with roaming gangs, afk cloakers and the like? You are too dumb for it, but most players are not. You simply do not belong in nullsec. You are acting like a dumb or just a pure idiot? If you see no difference between nullsec, wh, lowsec and high-sec like I said before - u have to be trolling, being an idiot or just have no experience in game other than being an afk cloaker; Dumbass;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 51	Posted - 2017.03.01 14:59:16 - [32] - Quote Maria Dragoon wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: baltec1 wrote: Removing local removes AFK cloaking simply because they have no idea you are there so there is no point AFK camping a system for a week Never heard that stupid argument before as deleting local means deleting all PVE content in any system except High Sec; But I doubt you know why; Please, educate us. EVE is about educating yourself - so yeah go for it;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 51	Posted - 2017.03.01 15:02:45 - [33] - Quote Maria Dragoon wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: baltec1 wrote: Removing local removes AFK cloaking simply because they have no idea you are there so there is no point AFK camping a system for a week Never heard that stupid argument before as deleting local means deleting all PVE content in any system except High Sec; But I doubt you know why; So you're telling us there is zero pve in wormholes? Has never been? Zero pve in lowsec with neutrals in system? Zero pve in npc nullsec with neutrals? Zero pve in sov nullsec by people that can actually use their brains and know how to deal with roaming gangs, afk cloakers and the like? You are too dumb for it, but most players are not. You simply do not belong in nullsec. You are acting like a dumb or just a pure idiot? If you see no difference between nullsec, wh, lowsec and high-sec like I said before - u have to be trolling, being an idiot or just have no experience in game other than being an afk cloaker; Dumbass; Instead of calling us dumb, please educate us. Step above the dumbasses, and be the better man. Explain why you think what you do. I'm not calling u as a dumb or dumbass ;) but... if you are like Linus Gorp... then well... u know :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 51	Posted - 2017.03.02 00:16:57 - [34] - Quote Linus Gorp as u are dumb idiot i'll give you a reason why your idea about local removal (cause it works in WH!) is dumb as **... It still gonna favor cloakers / even better as u have tools to know WHERE YOUR PREYS are living and WHAT they are doing; U don't need a local for it, there are tool ingames, outgames etc but u don't give a ** with some others - cause your mainly reason why you play this game is to harras others.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 51	Posted - 2017.03.02 06:04:31 - [35] - Quote Wtf im keep reading this bullshit about local still as "an answer for afk cloakers"; Lot"s of you speaking about deleting local have to be massive trolls as I already said with local u would have to close all websites as evedot etc - and splat the game to nonbrainless, stressfull clicking in empty space product; Go further - delete overwview!
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 55	Posted - 2017.03.02 08:29:41 - [36] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Linus Gorp as u are dumb idiot i'll give you a reason why your idea about local removal (cause it works in WH!) is dumb as **... It still gonna favor cloakers / even better as u have tools to know WHERE YOUR PREYS are living and WHAT they are doing; U don't need a local for it, there are tools in game, out of the game etc but u don't give a with some others - cause your mainly reason why you play this game is to harras others. You're just a dumb, whiny little kid that has zero business being in nullsec. You want the increased reward that nullsec offers? It's supposed to come with increased risk, not 100% safe space. If it's 100% safe space you want, then the rewards have to be adjusted accordingly. That'll mean reducing them by a lot. You can't have both. If what you want is candy just for being around, candy whenever you up, candy no matter how ***** pathetic and bad you are, then player another game that's more to your liking. I hear WoW is recruiting. Usual saying would be "When an EVE player goes to WoW, the average IQ in both games goes up." although in your case it would go up in EVE and down in WoW. Yeah and you want a ppl with a cloaker inside their system to brace themselves waiting hours as the cloaky guy decloak at front of them and lit a cyno so the fight can go on; As you see the guys docking in station with a neutral in system as fcking noobs ;) Get a life as you are pure trolling as your post are now ignored cause they are just a rubbish;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 55	Posted - 2017.03.02 08:33:14 - [37] - Quote Merin Ryskin wrote: Boo hoo. EVE is survival of the fittest, if an AFK cloaker in local shuts down activity and prevents you from getting rich then you and/or your alliance suck at EVE. Fortunately there's always highsec if you want to get rich with zero risk or intelligence required. U are being blooked too as I just can't read that kind of trash u putting so much effort in it;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 57	Posted - 2017.03.02 14:11:49 - [38] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Well you may be a in a bomber, but the other 28 are not... Still made me laugh, maybe I should unblock you because that is kinda funny ... I don't fit a cyno to my bombers, no room. So yea, if you can't handle me in a solo bomber when I am not even in the house let alone at my PC then how are you going to hold your space vs an alliance? And now you gives as an argument why it should be changed; Cause you are also using a AFK Cloaking mechanic in your favor, and you even enjoy it as you "can't be touched" - GG you are blocked now too :)
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 61	Posted - 2017.03.04 18:40:09 - [39] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Mike Voidstar wrote: It's clear that bounties bring in most of the ISK, This is obvious as bounties are one of the few ways ISK is actually created. I don't doubt that the biggest slice of that does come from Null, but it does not indicate how much. It could be the sheer mass of people running high sec missions are a significant portion as well. I've run both, and you make far, far more ISK via anomalies. The highest number killed in the Citadel is in Motsu, 1,159. 2,140 in Korsiki in the Forge. 984 in Domain. Now, lets look at Fountain: 1,100 Esoteria: 2,500 Perrigen Falls: 1,760 NS rats also tend to have nice fat bounties compared to even a Lvl 4 mission. And in some of the better regions you'll see multiple systems with lots of rats killed. For example, Deklein: More than 7,560 rats killed (I only counted some of the rat kills). Even if the average bounty is 500,000 that is almost 3.8 billion ISK from one region. Extrapolating to a month, that is over 113,4 billion a month. You could be right Mike, but I'm just not seeing it. What you want to prove? That SOV nullsec is profitable and ppl run anomalies with Supers/Carriers etc? Everyone knows it; They hold the space, they have right for it - there were enough risk to get reward and they clame it; AFK cloaker is not a RISK its only reward (ISK reward and stopping your enemies earning ISK reward); I were in few big alliances, rules were always 1 - U are forbidden to do anomalies, mining, explo with a neutral in system so it won't fck KB; So why you are suppose to do that? go to a system, hang cloaked and forget that u even have a toon there? It's not normal - and even 100 systems intel won't stop you if you know what to do;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 61	Posted - 2017.03.04 18:50:08 - [40] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: What you want to prove? That SOV nullsec is profitable and ppl run anomalies with Supers/Carriers etc? Everyone knows it; They hold the space, they have right for it - there were enough risk to get reward and they clame it; AFK cloaker is not a RISK its only reward (ISK reward and stopping your enemies earning ISK reward); I were in few big alliances, rules were always 1 - U are forbidden to do anomalies, mining, explo with a neutral in system so it won't fck KB; So why you are suppose to do that? go to a system, hang cloaked and forget that u even have a toon there? It's not normal - and even 100 systems intel won't stop you if you know what to do; Oh yeah I know - because you are too afraid to just get a team and attack it frontaly... So you still want to have access to this part of "game"; Dropping multi billion isk BOPS into hostile space where you're surrounded by hundreds of players looking to shoot you immediately isn't risky? Interesting. Haha really? ;) AFK Cloakers are not ******* morrons, they always "wait for" a ez target; (as they only be at keyboard 3 times per day haha) Roger out; as more bullshit is comming!
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 66	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:16:21 - [41] - Quote Anything changed after 400p.? Or the gangers/ and afk cloakers still speaking about: - delete local - that will fix afk cloakers? just wonder;
Naye Nathaniel Cobra INC Slightly Sexual 81	Posted - 2017.05.13 20:37:09 - [42] - Quote WOW you ppl still arguing?

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